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Cleanse Your Money Clutter. Cooper Gillespie


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Maybe It’s time for a Cleanse! No – not like the kind that involves juice fasting and greens. A ‘Money Clutter Cleanse’ if you will. Yes, I made that up. So why is this so important when looking to improve your overall money mindset?

In this episode, Founder of the Becoming Infinite Method and manifesting mentor, Cooper Gillespie explains how small changes to our day to day thought patterns and habits can create transformative results in a big way. Cooper shares her simple 7 steps to Alchemize your money clutter to transform your financial stress to success.

So grab a cup of coffee (or tea!) and let’s dive into ways of freeing ourselves from all that pesky financial clutter!

And to help you revive your money mindset, Cooper has generously given all our listeners free access to her Alchemize Your Money Blocks mini-course. Take inspired action and start “cleansing” your money clutter today.

About Cooper

Cooper Gillespie is a spiritual business and manifestation mentor who empowers people to create more abundance and freedom so they can live lives they can’t wait to wake up to. 

Cooper has devoted the last 15 years to studying human behavior and how to expand human potential and is always exploring the question, “What makes successful people tick?”

Her transformational certification program, the Becoming Infinite Method, trains the next generation to harness the power they were born with so they can heal themselves and their clients. 

She believes when people are empowered to live their most expansive and inspired lives, they create a ripple of light that encourages others to do the same.

In her spare time, she really enjoys playing music, spending time with her puppies, and traveling to exotic places.

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[00:00:00] Bob Wheeler: We all have a lot of complex feelings about money. It can feel scary and overwhelming, but here’s the thing, how we do money is connected to everything else in our lives. We need to start viewing finances as an integral part of our creative expression and overall journey towards living with purpose and joy.

Maybe it’s time for a cleanse. No, not that kind of, that involves juice fasting and greens, a money clutter cleanse, if you will. Yes, I made. So why is this so important when looking to improve your overall money mindset? In this episode, founder of the Becoming Infinite Method and Manifesting Mentor Cooper Gillespie explains how small changes to our day-to-day thought patterns and habits create transformative results in a big way.

Cooper shares her simple seven steps to alchemize your money clutter to transform your financial stress to success. So grab a cup of coffee or tea and let’s dive into the ways of freeing ourselves from all that pesky financial clutter. And to help you revive your money mindset Cooper has generously given all our listeners free access to her Alchemized Your Money Blocks Mini.

Take inspired action and start cleansing your money clutter today. I’m Bob Wheeler and this is Money you should ask where we explore why we do what we do when it comes to money.

Cooper Gillespie is a spiritual business and manifestation mentor who empowers people to create more abundance and freedom so they can live lives. They can’t wait to wake up. Cooper has devoted the last 15 years to studying human behavior and how to expand human potential, and as always exploring the question, what makes successful people tick her Transformational certification program, the becoming infinite method trains the next generation to harness the power they were born with so they can heal themselves and their clients.

She believes when people are empowered to live their most expansive and inspired lives, they create a ripple of light that encourages others to do the. In her spare time, she enjoys playing music, spending time with her puppies, and traveling to exotic places. I’m so excited to have you on this show.

Cooper, welcome. Thanks

[00:02:23] Cooper Gillespie: for having me. I’m excited to be here.

[00:02:25] Bob Wheeler: Yeah, I am too. I think we’re gonna have such a great conversation, and what I love is you are a spiritual business and manifestation mentor. Mm-hmm. , what all does that entail? ,

[00:02:37] Cooper Gillespie: essentially, I really mentor heart, heart-centered women to do business in a way that feels really aligned, like bro marketing is.

As far as I’m concerned, , we really focus on building businesses in a really heart-centered way. That is very much, it feels good for both the person on the receiving and the customer and the person who has the business. And then manifestation. I say I’m a manifestation mentor. Really what that means is just consciously creating.

The life that you wanna live, because for 33 years of my life, I didn’t know that I could actually create my life. I just sort of lived unconsciously reacting to whatever happened to me. And once I figured that out, I was like turned on and I wanted to share that message with as many people as possible.

So I also help women who don’t necessarily wanna have a business, but they just feel stuck, kind of get unstuck and actually see their personal power step into their personal.

[00:03:28] Bob Wheeler: And do most people, most women that come to you, do they already resonate with heartfelt? Do some of them discover it along the way?

Like is it something they come in with this intention of, I’m gonna look for heartfelt, and Cooper looks heartfelt or ? Is it a discovery?

[00:03:45] Cooper Gillespie: I think a lot of people are looking for, they’ve tried other programs or other mentors and it hasn’t felt right, and then they come upon me and they’re just my people or I’m their people.

You know how that works. Like we’re not all for everyone. Yeah. And they’re like, oh yes, this is why I’ve been afraid of sales, or why I’ve been afraid of money, or whatever it is, because I was doing it in this way that was someone else’s way that didn’t feel good to. And they come to me and they realize, oh yeah, there’s a softer, more feminine way to do sales and money.

And so they find me and I’m happy they do. That’s

[00:04:19] Bob Wheeler: awesome. And to be fair, heartfelt can also apply to men. Yes,

[00:04:22] Cooper Gillespie: absolutely. . Absolutely. And when I say feminine, it’s more about the energy, not about the actual gender, cuz I do have men clients too, . But it’s less about that, like that sort. Bro marketing, like close ’em, you gotta close the client, all that stuff.

I guess that’s what I’m talking about. Yeah. .

[00:04:43] Bob Wheeler: Yeah. I’ve just given you a little grief . So you talk about living unconsciously, you lived unconsciously for 33 years. What does that mean, and how do listeners know that they may be living unconsciously? So

[00:04:56] Cooper Gillespie: I would just sort of react to people, to situation emotionally, you know, to anything that was happening in my life.

And I didn’t realize that I was actually creating any of that. And what happened was I ended up in a deep, dark place, a dark night of the soul, as so many of us personal development people do. Actually, I was in a really low place and what happened was my mom invited me on this cruise and I was like, yeah, I wanna go on a cruise.

And she said, but it’s an Abraham Cruise. Do you know who Abraham is? And I was like, no. And she proceeded to tell me that Abraham Hicks was this like primordial bean or beans that were channeled through this lady named Esther Hicks. And I was like, oh hell no. That is not for me. That sounds like some weird hippie stuff.

Absolutely. And my mom was like, listen, you only have to go to one Abraham thing and then you can just enjoy the cruise. You don’t have to go to the rest. So I was like, okay, fine, I’ll do it. And I went to that first Abraham event, and I’m so glad I accepted my mom’s invitation because I heard a message that I had never heard in my 33 years of life, which is that you have the power to consciously create your life.

Now is the channeling thing real? I don’t know. I decided I didn’t need to know. I decided I didn’t care. What was important to me was waking up to my personal power. So I think. People know that they’re living disempowered or that they’re just reacting to life when they feel helpless and like things are happening to them and they don’t feel like they have any way to change their life.

And the truth is, we’re creating every single moment of our life, and we do have a power. I’m sure there’s things that happen, like I think that there’s a big misnomer out there with the LA of attraction. People get blamed, like, oh, you must have been thinking negative thoughts, and that’s why that bad thing happened to you.

I don’t believe that at all, but I do believe that if bad things happen to us or things that don’t feel good, we have the power to choose how we react to those things and how we move forward. So that’s the message that I share. Everyone has power to change their life, even if they’re in a dark place, you know, a negative place.

[00:06:46] Bob Wheeler: Yeah. And I think the other piece for me, my personal perspective, the law of attraction is great and you have to show up and do a little bit of work and actually receive it when it shows up. If it doesn’t come in the blue box, be aware that okay, it came in a green box. I can work with that . So I think there’s this belief that we get to passively just wait for it to come to us.

Yeah, and me personally, I think we have to actually engage and proactively bring in the attract.

[00:07:15] Cooper Gillespie: Absolutely. That’s why in my programs, there’s way more universal laws. I teach about 17 of them because you really need all of those other laws in order to make the law of attraction work. And one of the laws is the law of inspired action.

You gotta take inspired action. You can’t just sit there and like vibe out on a Lamborghini showing up in your driveway. If you wanna a Lamborghini, you’ve gotta like go down to the lot, right. And test drive it and do all those

[00:07:37] Bob Wheeler: things, you know? Absolutely. And then when it shows up, be aware that it’s showing up.

I’d be like, thank you. Because a lot of. The gifts come right by and you’re like, oh, there it went. Yeah,

[00:07:47] Cooper Gillespie: there’s that famous, I don’t know if you wanna call it a parable, but there is that story about the guy who, it’s flooding all around him, and he gets up on his rib and he prays to God, God, please deliver me from this flood.

And so a helicopter comes by, they’re like, get in the helicopter. He is like, no, I prayed to God. And then the neighbor comes by in a boat, get in the boat, and he is like, no, I prayed. And then he dies in the flood and he gets up there and he is like, God, what the heck? I prayed to you and God’s like, I sent you a helicopter in a boat.

What more do you want? What do you want? ?

[00:08:13] Bob Wheeler: Yeah. Take the invitation. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Totally. That’s exactly, and that’s the point. So many people are fixated on the way it shows up instead of. It showed up exactly and we get caught up in the semantics or the details instead of the big picture. So

[00:08:30] Cooper Gillespie: yeah, and I think a lot of times that things will show up in way cooler wackier ways than you could have ever imagined.

So that’s why it’s so fun to like put out what you want and then let go and see what the heck shows up, because it’s probably gonna be way cooler than what you originally thought

[00:08:47] Bob Wheeler: of. Absolutely. Now you talk about money clutter. What is money?

[00:08:52] Cooper Gillespie: Money clutter is when you’re not taking care of your money.

That’s one thing that I learned the hard way. You have to respect your money. So if your money is like all over the place, and I know not so many of us carry actual physical cash anymore, but if you do carry cash, make sure your cash is all organized, like from biggest bills, the smallest bills turn the same way in a nice place, in a nice wallet.

No, like ratty gross wallets. Have a nice wallet that makes you feel rich, right? It makes you feel. and also know where your money is and if you have cards, keep them organized or only carry what you need. Don’t have like cards all over the place and you’re first or whatever, but also just take care of your money.

Like I remember, I always tell this story when I was a very young woman as a waitress at a restaurant and I was complaining to my parents, I don’t have any money. I don’t have any money. And then I cleaned up my floor and there was like $600 or something just like lying around underneath all the crap on my.

And it’s like, no wonder I was always feeling broke. I wasn’t respecting my money or taking care of my money. And so that’s what I mean about money clutter is like take care, be very organized with your money. Nowhere where it all is, put it in something that feels nice. All of

[00:10:03] Bob Wheeler: that. No, that makes perfect sense.

We have to be intentional. We have to respect it. We have to have awareness, intentionality. Yeah. You talk about that there are seven steps to alchemize your money clutter. So what are those and how can they help your listen?

[00:10:18] Cooper Gillespie: I think one thing a lot of us don’t realize is that we probably have a lot of money that is either owed to us or somewhere out there in the ether that maybe we have forgot about.

And I think sometimes when people owe us money, well, first of all, I have a whole other thing about that. Never lend money to anyone unless you consider it a gift and you’re okay with never getting it back. That’s my personal belief, but, If you do choose to lend someone money and there is that idea that they’re gonna pay you back, it helps to reach out and actually have that conversation.

I think a lot of people don’t wanna do that because they feel like it’s gonna be uncomfortable, or maybe someone’s gonna be mad at them. But the truth is by actually being honest and having that clarity, it allows you guys to have a good relationship. Otherwise there’s like that weird money thing between you, and that’s awkward and weird, right?

So right. Contact people and get the money that’s owed to you. Definitely organize your bills, like have a folder for your bills where they all are, or have some sort of system that you use where you know where your bills are, you know when they have to be. I personally learned this from Kate Northrop.

She was my first money mentor. I’ve had many money mentors because money has been something that was very challenging for me for a long time, and she always talked about having a money love date. Uh, once you have all your bills, all nice and organized, schedule a date on the calendar. If you and your partner do finances together, do it together.

If you do it by yourself, do it by yourself. Pour yourself some delicious bed beverage, put on the jazz or whatever music you like to listen to. Light a candle, get some delicious aromas going, make it feel fancy, and sit there and actually go through, pay your bills and have them feel good. And another thing Kate Northrop taught me, which I love, is she said, consider bills invoices for blessings already received.

So instead of looking at your bills and feeling that like, Hey, my God, look at it as an invoice for a blessing you’ve already received. You got power this month. What a blessing. Thank you. It shifts the energy around paying bills to being one that feels very full of gratitude and feels very luxurious as opposed to mm-hmm.

feeling really stressed out, like you can’t breathe and you might die . Yeah. So that is another step to that . Yeah. And then we all have lots of gift card. Or things like that probably lying around that we haven’t used. So go out and use all those , like that’s it. If you have a bunch of gift cards lying around, it should be your task this week to go actually spend the money that you’ve already been given, right?

I mean, we’re all guilty of this, but it’s like that’s money that you have. Money likes to be spent, money likes to be moved. So don’t hold on to those gift cards, especially like use them for what they were meant to be used for, you know? So that’s another. I’m just gonna

[00:12:55] Bob Wheeler: laugh because I did a show on time and we exchanged wallets and opened everything up and I had like 10 gift cards.

None of them used cuz I’m always waiting for the R like I wanna spend them. I’m working on spending them . So do

[00:13:10] Cooper Gillespie: it. They wanna, it’s not like you could use that money for anything else. Go to Barns and Noble and buy the booker, whatever it’s meant to be used for. Use it. Yeah. You’re not a loader. I think a lot of us have that issue, , and then gather any loose money that you have, like we have a coin jar.

It’s like, don’t have money all over the place. If you get extra coins, put them in your coin jar. At the end of the year, you’ll have a couple hundred bucks. Yay. You know, just do something fun. Like I said earlier, make sure that your wallet or your purse feels fancy and nice. It doesn’t have to be expensive, but it has to make you feel good.

We probably all had that wallet that’s like gross . And yeah, I think it’s important to always, every time we take it out, feel good about it and then definitely just keep your living space organized and. I think decluttering in all of your life trickles down to everything. But there’s something about just having everything where it belongs, so everything in its place and that helps your money too.

I believe that. So those were sips. No,

[00:14:07] Bob Wheeler: that’s awesome. So you said you had several money coaches. And I’m wondering, what was your initial relationship with money and how did the awareness that you needed to go on this journey around money sort of evolve? Oh my

[00:14:21] Cooper Gillespie: gosh. It’s been a long unwinding road. . So , let’s see.

It all began, there was a point I must have been in my late twenties, early thirties. I don’t remember the exact year, but I do remember that when I first lived LA moved to LA as a creative, there was one year I made 13 grand, which I’m still trying to figure out how the heck I survived in Los Angeles on 13 grand.

I mean, it was like 20 something years ago, but still, I think my rent was $800. Wow. A month. So I’m like, how did I do that? So there was a year when I was totally broke. Then there’s a year I made six figures and it didn’t matter. I still had no money. I was still paycheck to paycheck. Broke. Broke, broke. And that’s when I.

Huh. I think there’s something else going on here. I think I might need help, because when I realized it didn’t matter how much money I made, I would never have money. Yeah. And I think a lot of that comes down to what I know now to be this subconscious programming and money blocks that I had from childhood.

Now, at the time, I wasn’t aware that my subconscious was in charge of so much my life. But what it is is growing up in a sort of lower middle class family where we bought our school clothes at the Salvation Army, and I was praised for like, if I’ve ever got anything at the Salvation Army with a designer label, I would cut it out and just like sew it into all my different clothes for like years.

And my parents were like, you’re a genius friend. My dad was always like, money doesn’t grow on trees. And so I had all of these beliefs about being. Very frugal and also that rich people were bad or fake or somehow working class people were more real. I mean, for a long time I had that belief. Mm-hmm. . And so at that point, I don’t even remember how I found Kate Northrop, but somewhere on the internet, I’m sure I found her and I took her money love course, which I don’t know if she still offers it.

I know she has another one now, but it changed my perspective. Radically when I realized I was in a relationship with money and I could have a healthy relationship, or I could have an abusive relationship, kind of like the one that I was having, and she really reframed for me. Paying bills debt, loving your money, being relationship with your money, being on top of your money.

That’s probably my number one piece of advice is pay attention to your money instead of just hiding and pretending like it doesn’t exist. Right. , so she was the first one. Yeah. And then there’s been many more .

[00:16:34] Bob Wheeler: You make a really good point. I mean, good news, bad news. I think a lot of people think if I have a healthy relationship with money, I’m gonna be a billion.

And the reality is, if we can have a healthy relationship with money, if we can learn to find gratitude in our life experiences and see the value in relationships and travel and experiences, it doesn’t matter if we have a billion dollars in the bank or if we have a hundred thousand dollars in our bank, or if we have a hundred dollars in our bank.

It’s more about our mindset and the ability. Appreciate whatever comes our way instead of being driven to get that million or billion or whatever that is. And so a healthy relationship doesn’t mean I’m automatically gonna get $6 million dropped into my bank account. And for some people, they may not even want that responsibility anyway.

It’s more about being able to see all the possibilities and seeing what has been. From my perspective that it’s really about gratitude and being able to live within your means instead of spending money you don’t have.

[00:17:43] Cooper Gillespie: Totally, absolutely. And this is like one of those manifestation principles where a lot of people think, if I get that thing, then I’m gonna feel this way.

And that’s not how it works. It’s first you feel it and then maybe you get that thing, or maybe you don’t even want that thing anymore because you already have that feeling. Because really the only reason we want money is because it’s going to give us a feeling. Of some sort. We’re gonna be able to get things that are gonna give us a feeling of some sort, right?

So if we can feel those feelings first from a woo perspective, it helps everything flow to us cuz we’re in that grateful place and we see a lot of people who have a lot of money who are really miserable because they don’t have that. So

[00:18:21] Bob Wheeler: I agree with you there. Yeah. And what do you think about like when you’re having a healthier relationship with money, maybe you’re not as triggered by your emotions, or you might be able to say, oh, there’s that voice that says rich people are evil.

When you get the big check and you can laugh and go, oh, silly voice. Mm-hmm. , right? And maybe be able to manage old stories that might come up and just be able to say, ah, that’s an old story not serving me. Thank you.

[00:18:47] Cooper Gillespie: Totally. I always teach people, it’s like anytime you have one of those old stories or blocks come up to literally say either out loud or in your head, clear, cancel, delete, and then think the opposite or the thing that you want to think because you’re just rewiring your neural pathways.

That way you’re changing your story and it feels really like a herculean task when you first start, cuz you were like always clear, cancel the leading, but eventually it gets to the point where your brain just starts to go to the more positive or healthier way of thinking.

[00:19:17] Bob Wheeler: Absolutely. And I wonder, you know, talking about those voices in your head, a lot of times people say, I still hear my parents talking.

At a certain point, it’s actually your voice. You’re just using their intonations, right? Because at a certain point we have free choice to say like, I don’t agree with that. So, If you’re hearing your parents’ voice in your head, it actually might be yours, . Yeah.

[00:19:40] Cooper Gillespie: But that goes back to living unconsciously, right?

I think a lot of people have that and don’t even recognize that it’s their voice, right? That they have the power to change it. They just go, that’s just what, how it is. That’s what I believe. Without realizing. Maybe you don’t believe that. Maybe that’s your grandma or your parents or or whoever. Belief, right.

That’s what’s going on. Yeah,

[00:19:58] Bob Wheeler: absolutely. Control, delete, clear. Get that out. . Get it out. . Exactly.

[00:20:03] Cooper Gillespie: It’s like a computer. Clear. Cancel. Delete .

[00:20:06] Bob Wheeler: Clear. Cancel. Delete. Yeah. Gotta get that canceling. Yeah. Well, let me ask you this. You know right now we’re experienced more inflation and people are looking for more abundance.

it feels like we might be going into scarcity. Do you have any tips on how our listeners could bring more abundance, call it into their lives? Yeah, I

[00:20:23] Cooper Gillespie: mean, I think you really hit on it earlier than the number one thing. I think to bring in abundance is that feeling of gratitude. And I highly recommend everyone first thing in the morning.

First, I recommend everyone meditate, but that’s a separate conversation. But second of all, after that, I recommend everybody literally make a list of gratitudes. I count ’em out on my fingers like a little kid. I don’t write ’em down or anything, although you can write them. Just even five things that you’re grateful for that day.

That energy is a great way to see what you have because our brains are constantly look for evidence of what we believe to be true. And so if you are believing that you have a lot of abundance, you finding all these things to be grateful for, you’re gonna find more evidence of that as opposed to, oh, I don’t have enough.

Then you’re gonna find more evidence of that. So it’s really looking toward all that you have. And if you can’t find anything in your own, That feels abundant. Look to nature. Look at all the colors of green, all the leaves on a tree, all the, I mean, if you have to look at the stars in the sky and find abundance there, but in some way be able to be grateful for some abundance in your life.

[00:21:26] Bob Wheeler: Yeah. You know, we love to be right, so might as well try to be right about good and healthy things. Instead of money never comes to me. I never get ahead. Like let’s don’t be right on that. Yeah, .

[00:21:37] Cooper Gillespie: Yeah, exactly. And that’s why I think worrying and I historically have been a pretty big worry. It’s so adorable because when you worry, all you’re doing is basically like finding more evidence of all the bad stuff, setting out the attention of all the stuff that you don’t wanna have to happen.

So why not actually look for evidence of all the stuff that you would like to have happen or more of in your life? Absolut.

[00:21:59] Bob Wheeler: What would you say was your biggest come to Jesus moment about? I mean when you found your money mentor and stuff, but was there something, was it just the six figures or was there something that’s specific where you just said, huh Jesus, I gotta get this cleared?


[00:22:13] Cooper Gillespie: think it was definitely that moment when I realized, oh, it doesn’t matter how much money I make, I am going to be broke no matter what. It’s like just flow through my hands like water. That was a real big come to Jesus moment, like, I need to figure this. . And since then I’ve had many money mentors. I really feel like, you know, they say new level, new devil.

It’s like there’s always new money stuff that comes up. I don’t know if it’s just me or what, but I really enjoy having money. Mentors, one of my money mentors says, how you do money is how you do everything. Hmm. And that is so true. And so I think I’m constantly looking to even make my relationship with money better, because I do feel like it’s pretty much how you do everyth.

[00:22:54] Bob Wheeler: Absolutely. I think probably can’t say this enough. It’s not a one and done, oh, I did these 10 little courses. Now my relationship with money is perfect. Never have to look at it again. It’s like any relationship. You’re in it to the finish. Good, bad, indifferent. We’re in it for the long haul, intentional, conscious, unconscious.

It’s coming every day. We’re making money choices. We’re making money decisions, even if we don’t realize we’re

[00:23:18] Cooper Gillespie: doing. Yeah, it’s like any relationship. If you start neglecting your relationship, guess what? It’s gonna get all outta whack again. I mean, that money love day is the most important. I love having that weekly check-in with my money.

It feels so good. Believe me, I can understand the feeling if anyone out there is listening to this and going, yeah. Is it for you to say, like, when I look at my accounts, I feel like I’m gonna die because it’s so stressful. I get that. I have so been there. I remember opening like credit card bills and.

They’re trying to kill me. You know, like having that feeling. But the thing is, is when you actually stay in relationship with your money and when you look at it every single week and you actually deal with what’s happening, go to Bath, you do feel very empowered afterwards cuz you’re like, I did that. I am on top of it.

Like I am doing money. You do end up feeling more empowered, I promise. That’s true, .

[00:24:08] Bob Wheeler: Yeah. And I think it’s hard for people to believe. I know it was true for me and it sounds like it was true for. At a certain point, we may make this statement of I am never gonna be able to get ahead. It works for everybody else, but not for me.

And that mindset feels so real in that moment when we’re in that depth of despair and it feels so true that we’ll never get out of it. Now, it doesn’t happen in five minutes. We don’t just say, oh, everything’s gonna come my way, and then tomorrow everything comes my way. It took me a while to build up those blocks and sabotage, and it’s gonna take me a little time to remove the blocks and clear the road and make the journey a little bit more palatable.

And so can you talk to that a little bit about, for me, it’s a process of starting to, oh, I ca, Nope. Let’s hiccup. Let’s pause that. Nope. Cancel. No. I’m gonna know I’m never G Nope. Stop. I can’t ha like, right. There’s this internal dialogue for me anyway, where I had to catch myself starting to go down that old path, like I wanna go back down that road.

It was really comfortable and familiar, even though I hated it. And, no, no. Stay on the new road. Stay on the new road, and eventually it integrates. It anchors and it takes.

[00:25:26] Cooper Gillespie: Yeah, I think that in our current society there’s this myth and I think it’s cuz everything’s instantaneously available to us, that everything is just gonna happen quickly.

And honestly, some of the best things in life take time and certainly. Changing a money story that you’ve had for your entire life up to this moment might take some time. Cuz you’ve had a whole life of programming before that that was not helpful. So yeah, it does take time, but the journey is really worth it.

And when you get to a point where you wanna be or where you feel like you don’t have to worry about living paycheck to paycheck anymore, or whatever it is, your money. It feels really good to know that you’ve done that work. And I say, look for expanders. Look for people out there. I mean, what the beauty of the internet is you could find examples of anything you’re looking for.

So it’s like, look for stories out there. Find communities out there where people are on a similar journey or where someone has been where you are and now they’re in a place where you’d like to be. I guarantee you can find that on the internet and use those stories as evidence that the same as possible for you too, because that’s really true.

Anytime you see someone who has done something and you feel that pain of like jealousy or like, oh, I wish I could do that, but I couldn’t do that. The reason you feel that is cuz that is meant for you. You could absolutely do that. So I say, look for people out there who are expanders for you and know that Gay Hendricks wrote whole book, the Big Leap about.

No matter what level you get to, you’re gonna hit an upper limit and that’s okay. And then you just look for support to push through that upper limit. Even millionaires and billionaires and some of the most successful people in the world have hit blocks and they need help. So just cuz you have a block or need help, that’s normal.

We all have that.

[00:27:07] Bob Wheeler: Absolutely. And I think as you were saying, talking about when I see somebody else and, oh, look at them, they got that great job. Or look at them, they took that great trip. If we can step back for a moment and say, isn’t that amazing? Look what they did. Oh, and they accomplished that thing.

I’m surrounded by people that accomplished things instead of I’m in a group of people where I don’t show up. It’s, I’m surrounded by people that are full of possibilities. It’s getting closer to.

[00:27:33] Cooper Gillespie: Absolutely. And anytime you see someone out there who’s been successful at something, you can look at how they did what they did, and you can model the same behaviors.

And I mean, that’s the thing. Success leaves clues. So you can literally see how someone has become successful at something and then basically model what they did and become successful at it too. I mean, in your own way. Of course we don’t copy people, but I think it’s a refreshing thing to know that, oh, because they’re successful, if I can see, figure out how they did it, I could also do that.


[00:28:03] Bob Wheeler: Well, Cooper, we are at the Fast Five. The Fast Five is brought to you by Survey Junkie. Join millions who take online surveys and make extra cash. Click on the link in the show notes to learn more. So we’re just gonna down and dirty. We’re gonna go fast. You drive a Mercedes-Benz, correct?

[00:28:19] Cooper Gillespie: Yes,

[00:28:19] Bob Wheeler: that’s right.

How did you make that choice? How did you make that

[00:28:22] Cooper Gillespie: choice? I didn’t go looking for a Mercedes. I actually went lucky for a pr. Then I got in a Mercedes and I was like, oh yeah, I never felt a car feel like that before. And I didn’t buy it right away. I thought about it and thought about it. I couldn’t get that car outta my mind.

And my husband was actually like, you deserve it. Like I had a money block there where I was a little embarrassed about having a Mercedes, but I got it and it’s the best thing. I love my Mercedes so much. It’s so much fun to drive . .

[00:28:49] Bob Wheeler: That’s awesome. What’s the coolest thing you’ve ever spent? Money.

[00:28:53] Cooper Gillespie: Oh man, the coolest thing I’ve ever spent money on.

Oh, well, I’m a bass guitar player. I love to play music. It’s one of the most important things. And currently I have the best amp, this Mesa Boogie subway series. It’s like so light, it only weighs like eight pounds. And after years of lugging around really heavy amplifiers, this thing, it makes me happy every day.

So that’s probably one of the coolest things, .

[00:29:17] Bob Wheeler: That’s pretty cool. Yeah. What’s the most you’ve ever spent on spiritual product? Oh, .

[00:29:24] Cooper Gillespie: So much money. Oh my God. I’m definitely like a spiritual product junkie. I mean, course wise, I don’t know. It’s probably like . It’s probably a program that was like 17 grand or something.

It was a lot where all

[00:29:41] Bob Wheeler: the

[00:29:41] Cooper Gillespie: program’s worth it. . Oh, here’s the thing. I think it’s everyone’s responsibility to find. In whatever they do. So even if I’ve ever enrolled in something where I didn’t necessarily get what I wanted to get out of it, there’s always something to learn or always something you could take away that was good about it.

Or maybe if you just learned you’re not gonna do that again. And that’s valuable too.

[00:30:00] Bob Wheeler: Absolutely. Absolutely. What was your biggest purchase in 2022? Oh, in

[00:30:05] Cooper Gillespie: 2020, I’m like, that’s the year we’re in, right, . That’s the year we’re in. It’s almost over. Let’s see. Probably my husband and I went to Kauai for a friend’s wedding and we definitely went like first class all the way, so that was probably the most expensive purchase.

It totally worth it. It was awesome. That

[00:30:23] Bob Wheeler: is so cool. What is your favorite money? Affirmation.

[00:30:26] Cooper Gillespie: I love money, and money loves me .

[00:30:30] Bob Wheeler: I love it. I love it. Yes it does. Yes, we do. ,

[00:30:34] Cooper Gillespie: yes,

[00:30:38] Bob Wheeler: We’re at the m and m spot, the Sweet Spot, money and Motivation. Do you have a practical financial tip or a piece of wealth wisdom that you can share with our listeners, something that’s worked for you?

[00:30:48] Cooper Gillespie: Yes, I highly recommend setting that money. Love date every week, taking time every week to pay your bills, but make it feel nice.

Have the nice music, have the aroma therapy going, have a delicious beverage, and make it feel good. And then literally pay your bills while remembering that their invoices for blessings already received. And go through your accounts. Make sure there’s not weird stuff coming. I mean, sometimes if you go through your bank accounts, you’ll find weird charges for things you don’t know what they are.

It’s like go through and just be on top of your money. You’ll feel so good. Remember to breathe If it feels stressful, just take some deep breaths. And remember, one of my really great friends said, any problem that can be solved with money is really not that big of a problem. And every time if I ever feel any stress about money, I just remember that cuz she’s right.

It’s like you got your health, you know you’re alive like money. We can solve that. So just remember that and remember to breathe. And having that weekly check-in with your money is gonna make you feel so empowered.

[00:31:47] Bob Wheeler: Absolutely. Well, Cooper, this has been such a fun conversation and I think there’s a lot of great nuggets in here, and I hope people take that information and run with it.

I think it’s so important, like you talked about, to really name that gratitude, celebrate when you’re paying bills. Make it a great experience. Remind yourself that the bills are invoices of gratitude that have already happened. Like these are such great things. It’s so important from my perspective that we start to get a little more conscious and actively, consciously participate in our financial journey instead of just letting it happen.

And so I love that there’s one of those laws of active participation that you talked. Because we do, we have to participate, and I think that’s so important and it’s never too late. Whenever we get in, we get in. When we start to get more conscious, we get more conscious. We can become more intentional.

It’s not too late and it doesn’t happen for everybody else. It can happen for all of us if we’re willing to show up and do a little bit of the work. And yes, we might go to those dark moments as many of us have, that it’s almost a do or die, and those are important moments, and so there’s nothing wrong with that.

It’s not all. On the way to transformation, but it’s powerful and definitely worth it. So I so appreciate you sharing all that. And I know that you wanna share with us access to your alchemized your money blocks a mini course. And so we’ll put that in the show notes cuz we want people to be able to do that.

Where can people find you online and learn more about you?


[00:33:19] Cooper Gillespie: cooper gillespie.com is my website and then I’m always on Instagram. I love Instagram and I’m at Cooper Gillespie on Instagram, so come say hi. Well Cooper,

[00:33:27] Bob Wheeler: thank you so much. I appreciate you taking the time and lots of money, wealth coming your way, so thank you so much.

Thanks for

[00:33:35] Cooper Gillespie: having me.

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