Awakening The Soul Of Power. Christian de la Huerta

[00:00:00] Bob Wheeler: Welcome to another episode of Money You Should Ask, where everyone has something they can teach you. I’m your host, Bob Wheeler. And in this episode, we’re going to explore, question, examine, converse, dig deep, expose, laugh, and cry about the money beliefs, money blocks, and life challenges of our next guest. Turn up the volume, listen, learn, and laugh.

[00:00:16] Our next guest is Christian de la Huerta. With 30 years of experience, Christian is a sought after spiritual teacher, personal transformation coach, and leading voice in the breathwork community.

[00:00:26] He has traveled the world offering inspiring and transformational retreats, combining psychological and spiritual teachings with lasting and life-changing effects. An award-winning, critically acclaimed author, he has spoken at numerous universities and conferences and on the TEDx stage. His new book, Awakening the Soul of Power, was described by multi Grammy award winner, Gloria Estefan, as a balm for the soul of anyone searching for truth and answers to life’s difficult questions.

[00:00:55] Christian, I’m super excited to have you on this podcast.

[00:00:59] Christian de la Huerta: Hey Bob, thank you so much for having me. I’m looking forward to this conversation.

[00:01:04] Bob Wheeler: So I’m going to jump in, and if I read correctly, you are one of nine kids?

[00:01:08] Christian de la Huerta: Yup. Eight of us now, one of my brothers drowned a long time ago, 30 years ago, but yes. One of nine and all within 12 years, no twins.

[00:01:17] Bob Wheeler: Wow. Okay. Busy parents. But, but Catholic, so that makes sense. That makes sense. Everybody thought we were Catholic, cause there were five of us and we drank, so everybody just assumed we were Catholic, but where were you in the birth order?

[00:01:30] Christian de la Huerta: I’m second oldest. Oldest male.

[00:01:32] Bob Wheeler: Oldest male, so a little bit of responsibility there, a little pressure.

[00:01:35] Christian de la Huerta: Yeah, yep. And certainly levels, levels of machismo and a Latin culture. You know, some more subtle than others, but I think it’s there. It’s always there in the background.

[00:01:48] Bob Wheeler: Absolutely. And you grew up in, as a child, you grew up initially in communist Cuba.

[00:01:56] Christian de la Huerta: Mhm.

[00:01:57] Bob Wheeler: And then you moved to rural Georgia.

[00:02:00] Christian de la Huerta: Yup.

[00:02:01] Bob Wheeler: And then you ended up in Miami. If you reflect back on those things, those places, were you aware of any differences in terms of money, finances, either with your parents or the way that you were given money or treated?

[00:02:18] Christian de la Huerta: Oh my God. Talk about culture shock. Let me, let me give you and you know, we had it much better than most in Cuba, cause my parents, my father was a doctor and they had friends in, who worked for foreign embassies. And they were able to, to exchange, to get stuff, black market, that many people wouldn’t be able to do otherwise.

[00:02:36] But I’ll give you, let me give you this story to illustrate what it’s like. And, and that’s just like a simple story, not to, not to point to the, the values of the freedoms that we take for granted here in the US and in the democratic countries, what’s showing up to us here, right?

[00:02:55] We, we stick a piece of gum in our mouth and we spit it out without even thinking about it. Once in a while, through my friends and my parents’ who worked for foreign embassies, we used to get a pack of Chiclets. I don’t know if you remember the little boxes of Chiclets. And so, you know, we’d split up, split up, split the Chiclets before, between the kids.

[00:03:12] And we’d chew it all day. At the end of the day, we’d get, get a glass with like a little bit of water, put toothpaste in it, and stick our gum in it and stir it up. And so that it’d be minty the next day. And then of course hide it so my mom wouldn’t throw it out. And sometimes we’d keep it going for a week or two until she found it and threw it out.

[00:03:31] Bob Wheeler: Wow. See, right? And, and, and those moments were precious when you got that little Chiclet.

[00:03:36] Christian de la Huerta: My God, yes. And, you know, it’s like, I’m really, really grateful for a lot of that, of my growing up experiences. We had a TV, but there was nothing worth watching.

[00:03:47] Bob Wheeler: Right.

[00:03:48] Christian de la Huerta: Maybe some, some old Spanish movies, I mean, old US movies in black and white.

[00:03:53] And the rest of it was pretty much government propaganda. So we grew up reading, which, you know, for which I’m really, really grateful because I was a good student because of that and developed a really, a lifelong love affair with words and with books because of that. We also grew up creating our own games, like inventing our pastimes, but other things to me, it’s so sad when I see the kids. So many kids today with just their nose to the screen. And you’re living in this world of illusion.

[00:04:22] Bob Wheeler: Yeah, absolutely. And when you were growing up in Cuba, were you aware of your privilege? I mean, privilege as defined in communist Cuba.

[00:04:31] Christian de la Huerta: Yeah. Yeah. I could tell. I mean, it wasn’t, like, thrust in our faces, but you know, my, my parents had help, you know, they had a, a housekeeper that, that lived with us.

[00:04:42] So there was definitely that, and, and there were others, there were other kids in the neighborhoods who didn’t have that. So, so yeah, there was, it wasn’t something that was like really, really evident that was, that everybody noticed. But, but yeah, there were some differences and it wasn’t like, we were like ultra wealthy at that, like, under communism.

[00:05:01] There wasn’t that anymore, unless you were part of the government of the communist regime. Because supposedly they went, you know, to get to get rid of the, the, the, the, the, you know, the, the different, the difference between rich and poor, but they just changed who owned the, the power and the money.

[00:05:18] Bob Wheeler: Absolutely. And when, did you, were you aware of money at that point, like that money, or was it more about power or more about position that brought prosperity?

[00:05:29] Christian de la Huerta: I don’t think I really thought about money until we came to the states. And then you’re like, imagine nine kids. And yes, my dad was a psychiatrist, but still, you know, like to, to support nine kids.

[00:05:44] And, which he put all, you know, clothed and fed and put them all through private schools in high school you know, there were so many, so many sacrifices that were made, especially by my parents. Like, I can’t even begin to imagine how many times they put the needs of one of the kids over their own. And, you know, I, for one, shared a small bedroom with bunk beds with my three brothers until I was 18.

[00:06:11] Bob Wheeler: Yeah. That’s amazing. I can’t even imagine putting nine kids and two adults on a plane or on anything and traveling somewhere else. I mean, you actually need your own bus.

[00:06:24] Christian de la Huerta: I, it’s, it’s, I can’t even imagine. And, and then, you know, and, and when we left, my older sister was 12, I was 10, and my mother was eight months pregnant.

[00:06:35] She actually lied to the airlines and told them it was six because otherwise they wouldn’t have let her fly. And then to land in Spain, because at that point already, you couldn’t fly directly to the US.

[00:06:45] Bob Wheeler: Right.

[00:06:45] Christian de la Huerta: And while my dad had to immediately hit the ground running and start studying in English to pass the foreign exam so that he could practice medicine when he landed here, my mom was then like, thrust, as she was about to give birth to a couple of weeks after we landed, into taking care of nine kids. Without help. And without knowing where money was coming from or when, how much or when, it was, you know, we got money from friends and family here in Miami, but we didn’t know how much or when, or how much time until the next little bit of help arrived. So I can’t even imagine what it was like for them.

[00:07:21] Bob Wheeler: That was definitely moving forward into the unknown with, with really no safety net, which is a bit fearless from my perspective, pretty courageous. What was it like when you landed in Georgia? So now here you are. You’re a Spanish speaking, family, nine kids, and now you’re in rural Georgia.

[00:07:41] Christian de la Huerta: Yeah. And before that, I want to, I want to highlight what you just said, because I think it was only, not only fearless. But it points to, to the fact of, of the immigration story, right? The immigrant story, the sacrifices that people are willing to make for the sake of the possibility of freedom for their kids and, and the life of promise that America still represents in the world.

[00:08:05] And so, you know, once we landed, oh my God, it was like culture shock. You know, in Cuba we grew up, because my parents, they had, they were okay. They were probably middle class, upper middle class or professional class. And so they had, there was nothing to spend money on. So there were people who actually made a living by standing in line because you had to stand in line to get everything, to go to the stores, to, to go to the ballet.

[00:08:31] And so, you know, several times a year, we used to go to the, go to the ballet and we used to see the Bolshoi, you know, the, the Russian ballet when they were in town once a year and the, the Cuban national ballet, which is extraordinary, extraordinarily good. And so, you know, that’s how I was raised. And then suddenly landed in Milledgeville, Georgia.

[00:08:52] Without speaking a word of English and my mother with the best of intentions, like, pushed me onto the football field and, you know, wanting us to fit in, that was like, I didn’t even understand like, what the purpose was or what we’re trying to do. Didn’t understand the coach’s instructions. So you want me to do what? Knock down on the ground? I don’t think so.

[00:09:15] Bob Wheeler: It’s a rough sport.

[00:09:16] Christian de la Huerta: So fortunately, I managed to break a finger or toe or something. I forget, and, and that was the end of my football career.

[00:09:23] Bob Wheeler: Ah, no NFL.

[00:09:26] Christian de la Huerta: No, not for me. With all due respect. Not for me.

[00:09:31] Bob Wheeler: Not for you. And did you notice a difference in, money was now short, you were relying on friends. Did your parents, less patient, more patient? I mean, I just, again, I can’t imagine bringing nine kids over to a new country, new language, and then move forward. That’s, you know, that is very courageous.

[00:09:52] Christian de la Huerta: Yeah. You know, of course everything changed. You, you went from in Cuba where everything, you know, you had a, what it’s called the quota is the word, quotas for everything. So you had quotas depending on how many people in the family whether, you know, how much milk or how much bread, or how much, how many eggs you could buy if the stores had them, because often the, the, the shelves were bare, to suddenly being completely overwhelmed by, by the choices in a supermarket, you know, just for, for choices of cereal or toothpaste or soap or anything.

[00:10:26] It was just completely overwhelming to see fruit that I’d only read about like apples. But then, you know, money was a reality. And, and so, and when we, when we first landed you know, probably spent a month in Miami before we moved to, to, to Milledgeville. And we got, you know, we had, Cubans at that time had refugee status.

[00:10:49] So you basically were given like, certain kinds of food items. I’ll never, I’ll never forget, you know, those kinds of really bad American cheese that came in unmarked packages, or I forget what the boxes said, but it was pretty bad. But still, I mean, the level of gratitude and the, and the level of excitement and fear about being in a new world, it’s hard to convey that.

[00:11:13] And, you know, everything was hand-me-down and clothing that people donated. And everything in our family was hand-me-down too, because there were so many of us. And so, yeah, it was pretty much living, in the beginning, it was living by the generosity and help of others.

[00:11:30] Bob Wheeler: Wow. I was just thinking though, as the oldest son, at least you got the clothes first.

[00:11:36] Christian de la Huerta: Yeah. First in the family, at least.

[00:11:39] Bob Wheeler: Yeah. At least first in the family.

[00:11:41] Christian de la Huerta: Yeah, it was still being handed down from somebody else.

[00:11:44] Bob Wheeler: Right, right. And did you know, like, I, this is just such a random thing, but I was thinking in Cuba, I would imagine you had plantains?

[00:11:52] Christian de la Huerta: Yep, mhm.

[00:11:53] Bob Wheeler: And then Georgia probably doesn’t have plantains.

[00:11:55] Christian de la Huerta: Nope. They may now.

[00:11:57] Bob Wheeler: They may now, but the basic staples of Cuban life were probably not jumping up and down in rural Georgia.

[00:12:05] Christian de la Huerta: No, although you know, it’s like, like there were times, like, I remember one time in particular, in, when I was growing up in Cuba, when it was like going through a really difficult time economically, and for like six months, every night for dinner, we had black bean puree with scrambled eggs because there was nothing else.

[00:12:28] There was nothing else you could get. And so, so yeah, so, you know, there were a lot of challenges and a lot of difficulties of being in the states and not speaking the language in an environment in which, you know, foreigners were not taken too kindly initially. And so there was that whole struggle with identity as well, and trying to fit in and, and how much of myself do I sacrifice in order to fit in.

[00:12:54] And, and yet the whole thing was an incredible blessing. Many, many people did not have that opportunity.

[00:13:02] Bob Wheeler: Yeah.

[00:13:02] Christian de la Huerta: Or, or gave their lives, you know, trying to leave.

[00:13:05] Bob Wheeler: Right. Yeah. Unfortunately, unfortunately. And as you moved into Miami, I mean, one of the things that you talk about in your book and, which I think probably resonates for a lot of people in different ways, because I think often we all sometimes feel like an outsider.

[00:13:22] But you talked to this piece about always feeling like an outsider and, and that, but there, you know, a silver lining in that as well, right? If we look for the silver lining instead of the victim stance, we can look and say, “Oh, well here’s the beauty of that. I was more self-reflective, I was more this or that.” But I think a lot of people out there do often feel like they’re the outsider, that they’re the different one.

[00:13:47] And I just wonder if you can talk a little bit about that because I, you know, for me it ties to who we are. Spiritually, financially, emotionally, all these things. Because even when we’re feeling like an outsider or if we don’t belong or we don’t feel self-worth, that may be reflected in the way we save our money or the way that we hold back or the way that we don’t allow ourselves to receive financial gain or gratitude or pleasure, whatever it might be.

[00:14:12] And I just, that was something that stuck out as I read it. I just, I think there are so many people out there that say, “I’m the outsider.”

[00:14:19] Christian de la Huerta: Yeah, yeah, yeah. That’s, that’s a great question. You know, I think, sometimes I think that I came, this lifetime, either to that, that was one of my main lessons or one of the things that I needed to master, like being the other, like, feeling different.

[00:14:32] So in Cuba, you know, we’re immediately ostracized. As soon as you ask for permission to leave, like you’re applying for a visa to leave, immediately you became a trader to the revolution and you were labeled “Gusano,” which means “worm.” And, and even like third, fourth grade teachers would call you that, like call a little kid that.

[00:14:55] My sister and I were always at the top of our class, and as soon as, you know, the word got out that we were intending to leave, which took, the process took years, but we never got awards anymore. We never got even cookies at break when they had them. And then we finally are able to leave. We come to, to Georgia and now, you know, stand out like a sore thumb because I don’t speak English.

[00:15:17] After three years there, you know, like mastering English to, you know, to in, in the desire to, to fit in as much as possible, then we moved back to Miami. And I was, we went to a small, you know, Catholic Jesuit high school that was all boys. And it was like probably 99% Cuban. So now I stood out again because I had a, you know, I sounded like a Georgia peach. And then the deeper one really, was that I already knew, even at a young age, I already knew that I was gay.

[00:15:45] And so that was really the deep, dark secret. That was really what was underlying the fact that my adolescence was one long depression. And, and, you know, you brought up spirituality and it’s, so try, like imagine trying to reconcile like this part of you that wants to serve God that wants to serve the sacred as I, as I understood it. That while at the same time being told by the religion, in which one was raised, that I was going to, that I was going to burn in hell for eternity, that I was an abomination in the eyes of God.

[00:16:18] It’s like, oh my God, what a, what a minds, what a mind F bomb does that do to a person?

[00:16:25] Bob Wheeler: Especially at like what 14 years old? 12, 13, 14. That’s a heavy, that’s a heavy thing to take on.

[00:16:32] Christian de la Huerta: Yeah. Yeah. And like you were saying, it’s like the hidden blessing for me was that looking back on it, like having had to, having to face such deep existential questions, like who am I really?

[00:16:48] And who, who, what am I here for really? And, and, you know, it’s like I had to do that at an earlier phase than most of my you know, heterosexual friends, because for me it was a matter of survival.

[00:17:03] Bob Wheeler: Right.

[00:17:03] Christian de la Huerta: Yeah.

[00:17:05] Bob Wheeler: And as you look back on all of that and you see the silver lining, what would you say to people out there that are struggling with, with finding their voice or needing to keep secrets or like, right?

[00:17:18] We all have secrets and, and, and for some people, the goal is to never have anybody find out their secrets. And the reality is if we can be vulnerable and actually let our secrets be known, we can then stand fearless. But for those people that are still in fear is, what would you say to those people, knowing the journey you’ve been on?

[00:17:38] Christian de la Huerta: You know, to, to trust, to, to be patient, it does get better. And in the end, it’s worthwhile that the pain, the alienation that I’d experienced it’s, you know, it’s, it’s, I’m grateful for that now. Because it, it also gives me empathy, right? It helps me to understand, to empathize with another human being’s pain. Even if the details are different.

[00:18:04] It’s like, I get pain. I get self, self doubt. I get self hatred. I’ve had suicidal fantasies, you know, as a teenager. And so, these days, and this is the hopeful message of, of my book too, is that these days, no matter what happens, no matter the details of my life, like a relationship works out or it doesn’t. A project succeeds or it “fails.” In quotes.

[00:18:31] No matter the circumstances, I never ever question my sense of worth. Like, like my, my level of self acceptance and even self love, self honoring, self respect, is established and it’s a done deal and it cannot be shaken.

[00:18:47] Bob Wheeler: Yeah. And I, you know, you talk about your journey from self hatred to self acceptance, right, in the book. And I think like, it’s a hard journey. It’s not something that you just go down and you go to the store and you pay five bucks and then, oh, I’m, I’m in self acceptance. It takes, it takes work. And I just want to name that for people listening out there and they’re like, oh, I don’t want to do the work.

[00:19:15] Unfortunately, or fortunately, you got to do the work, you got to show up.

[00:19:21] Christian de la Huerta: Yeah. You gotta do the work. You know, the other alternative, which tragically, a lot of people do, is a numbing out, right? Running away from ourselves and our fears and our doubts and, and our emotions even. And, and, you know, numbing out in all the very creative ways that we do, whether it’s substances or, or sex, or, or shopping or TV or gaming or workaholism even. But, and the thing about, to realize that I think ultimately we know is that we can’t run away from that stuff.

[00:19:51] Bob Wheeler: Yeah.

[00:19:51] Christian de la Huerta: We can’t sweep it under the rug, even if we’re not facing it, it’s, it’s still impacting our lives and our relationships from the subconscious. And the tragic part of that is that we can’t do anything about something that we don’t see.

[00:20:07] And, and yes, absolutely. It’s, it’s work. It’s hard work. It’s, in fact, it’s even heroic, you know, that’s the title that, that’s part of the title of the series of the three books that I’m, that I’m working on of which this one is at first. It’s hard work, you know, to be able to look at ourselves, to ask those hard existential questions, to be able to ask ourselves why we do the things we do, what are our triggers?

[00:20:31] What kind of people get our goat? What kind of situations? You know, drive us into self doubt? What are, why the patterns? What kind of patterns do we get into whether they’re behavioral, or behavioral or relationships that sometimes feel like we’re in the same boring movie, just with a different actor.

[00:20:51] Bob Wheeler: Right.

[00:20:52] Christian de la Huerta: But it’s like, we’ve been here before. We’ve done this stuff before.

[00:20:55] Bob Wheeler: Right.

[00:20:55] Christian de la Huerta: So it’s, it’s hard work, yes. And it is infinitely rewarding and so worthwhile. Because in being willing to be able to, in being willing to be, to do that work, we can free ourselves and we can introduce choice into our lives rather than reacting and overcompensating from, from unhealed stuff from our past, or from a lifetime of suppressing emotions.

[00:21:21] Bob Wheeler: Yeah. And in your journey to self acceptance and having that strong foundation, are you aware of any like, financial sabotage? Did money play a role? Did you punish yourself? Did you like, do anything that you can look back and say, “Ah, there were some unconscious attempts here to, to undo all of this?”

[00:21:45] Christian de la Huerta: Sure. And, and I, by the way, I love, you know, the, the, the fact that you focus your work on that and the emotional layers and layers, you know, related to money. It’s like, I wish I would’ve had your book when I was, when I was younger. Yeah. I, there were definitely layers of emotional stuff, I think partly you know, I don’t know if, you know, if it was a result of previous, past, the past lifetimes of monasticism or whether it was just conditioned this lifetime for the Catholic upbringing, which at least my, my parents’ interpretation of it, because there’s definitely a lot of money in the Catholic church at least institutionally.

[00:22:23] Bob Wheeler: Absolutely.

[00:22:24] Christian de la Huerta: And so, you know, the way my parents were version of it, like my parent was, my father was an amazing psychiatrist and he was just horrible, horrible businessman. And I know because I get a lot of feedback about people, you know, even these days, “I used to see your dad and he really made a difference in my life.”

[00:22:42] However, in terms of his own emotions, interestingly, he was clueless. And in terms of money, he would just didn’t have any sense about that. So for me, it’s, I get it. I didn’t have any role models in terms of relationship to money. And I don’t know if there was any layers of guilt, which I know is one of the common emotions that are associated, associated with money.

[00:23:03] Maybe had to do with you know, having been raised in a communist regime and the, and the message about, everything should be divided equally at least in the ideal version of it. And, but for me, it was a journey. And for me it was a journey of, of, of making money wrong subconsciously. I don’t, I don’t think I, I, I know it wasn’t an intentional thing, but I think there was a subliminal message and yes, Catholicism had something to do with it.

[00:23:30] You know, it was like, it’s that, the eye of the needle thing, you know, it’s, it’s easier for, for a rich man to get a, what is it? It’s harder for, oh, it’s easy. How does it go? It’s harder for, for a rich man to get into heaven than for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, something like that.

[00:23:49] Bob Wheeler: That’s right, that’s right.

[00:23:50] Christian de la Huerta: I remember reading that as a kid. And so yeah. You know, maybe any of those or a combination of all of those, but I definitely grew up with, with a make wrong attitude towards money. And so it’s been an evolution, and then add to that, you know, once I started doing spiritual work when I turned 30, there’s layers of, of meaning about that, you know, like, so, so many people believe that if you’re doing spiritual work, that you shouldn’t charge, that it should be done for free.

[00:24:17] And yeah, there was a time in, in human evolution, where that makes sense, where the Shaman or the medicine woman were, you know, were supported by the village and they were taken care of and, and they didn’t charge, but that’s not the world in which we live. It’s like, hey, I’ve gotta pay bills too.

[00:24:30] And so that was a part of my journey too, you know, reconciling that and getting to a place of freedom and feeling good about charging, you know, what my, what my work is worth. And then part of the, part of the journey too, Bob, it’s been from this negative adversarial relationship with money, to acceptance, to a trusting relationship.

[00:24:57] Right? So, so I’ve lived long enough. And as part of my spiritual journey have been in some really difficult experiences that I’m happy to tell you about too, which got me to the point of knowing. It’s like, it’s not a belief. It’s like, I know that I’m going to be taken care of. So I know that.

[00:25:17] I’ve experienced it. And you know, here, here’s, here’s the story in 60 seconds. When I went on my spiritual journey, 30 years ago, I had a pretty comfortable, cushy job. I was making good money. I had a sportscar, condo on the water. And when I went on my spiritual journey, I, I gave away or sold everything. I basically kept my, my books and my Armani suits, which tells you a little bit about my attachments. Which I never wear anymore, but, but anyway, that’s, that’s what it was.

[00:25:45] And for, and I paid off all my, all my debt and I brought about, you know, maybe $8,000, $10,000 to the community, that, that I was a part of. For the, we, the teacher and six of us, six students, flew to Hawaii and the intention was that, oh, we’re using my credit cards, right? To, to pay for all those and all those airfares. And we basically, she and I survived on those credit cards for the six months that, that after, by the end of three months, she had disbanded the group other than me and, or people had just left because they couldn’t hack the demands of, of the spiritual life, of the, of the Ashram life.

[00:26:27] And so the intention I know, was that when the work took off, my credit cards would be paid, paid off. But guess what? You know, that the work never really took off. And so pretty soon, it was like, it was, when it was just me and her, creditors calling, credit cards getting canceled. There goes one, there goes another one.

[00:26:47] And the, realize that much of my identity was connected to that. We got evicted, which I’ve never been evicted from anything before that, from one of those corporate, you know, month by month furnished apartments. And, and here’s where it got to the worst. Like, we had storage units in Honolulu. We had storage units in LA, a storage unit in San Francisco. And she and I, for a week, lived in a car.

[00:27:14] So we were basically homeless.

[00:27:15] Bob Wheeler: Yeah.

[00:27:16] Christian de la Huerta: And you know, like we would sleep in the car at a truck stop and in the morning we’d go and take a, get $4 and take a $4 shower at the YMCA. And, and I can’t even tell you how difficult that was because at the, at the same time, the same time that it was, that she was a ruthless Eagle Slayer.

[00:27:36] So I had all that undivided attention on me, and we were in survival mode and she had experienced some kind of profound spiritual transformation, but she wasn’t very functional in this third dimensional reality. So I felt responsible for her and for us and for the work at the same time that I was being seen as slain for my humanness.

[00:27:57] And so I can’t even begin to tell you how difficult that was, but here’s the invaluable lesson that I learned. Like every time, like we were like tired, like, that’s it, right? There was nothing else to pawn, cause everything was in storage in a different state. Like I pawned a chain from my former girlfriend, girlfriend from high school.

[00:28:17] Pawned CDs, pawned, you know, any, like there was nothing else to pawn and then that was it. And inevitably every single time, money would show up from an unexpected source in the last, at the last minute. And so after a few of those, I began that, that shifting of my relationship or where I feel like, I feel, I know I’m going to be taken care of.

[00:28:43] And so I think, so then the next step in that evolution was trusting that I’m going to have enough, to then letting it be okay to have more than enough.

[00:28:54] Bob Wheeler: Right.

[00:28:54] Christian de la Huerta: You know, because that, for, for the majority of my life, it was just, it, you know, like just enough, like barely making rent, you know, but always making it, but barely. And sometimes sliding in too late. So that, so that continued that process.

[00:29:09] Bob Wheeler: Yeah. You know, and it’s interesting you say that about the, just enough, because I think so many people live with just enough. Because then the guilt creeps in or the, who am I to take more than, than what I need to actually have a little bit of abundance or, and, and, and we can play that mind game.

[00:29:29] And so I think a lot of people do keep themselves from having more because of that mindset of like, I just need enough. And no more. I won’t, I won’t take any more than just enough. And I think, I think it’s okay to have more than enough, and there is so much abundance. And I think in this culture, we don’t even actually see all the abundance that we have.

[00:29:53] We don’t even, you know, just like you know, going from Cuba to even rural Georgia, where you’ve got 20 types of bread and there’s eggs in, in the grocery store. Those are things a lot of us just take for granted. Being able to have a shower. You know, I’ve traveled to a lot of developing countries and they’re grateful to have a bucket of water once a week that they maybe get to heat over a fire.

[00:30:17] And I’m like, I didn’t get to take a third shower today. Right? So I think that redefining what is enough and abundance and all that stuff is, is, is an important part of the equation. Because I do think we, we don’t see all that we have. And then also we, we, we think we don’t have enough, but we’re just like, oh, I’ll just get by.

[00:30:39] So it’s, it’s such a tricky mind game that we play with ourselves.

[00:30:43] Christian de la Huerta: Yeah. It is. And, and, you know, it’s still part of my, my process, like it’s, it’s almost not, but I’m almost ashamed to say that my journey of savings started recently.

[00:30:53] Bob Wheeler: Yeah.

[00:30:55] Christian de la Huerta: Because, you know, and so, and yes, I still know that I’m going to be taken care of. I know that I’m going to be okay. But you know, there’s a Sufi saying that, that says you know, “trust in Allah, but tie your camel.”

[00:31:07] Bob Wheeler: Exactly.

[00:31:09] Christian de la Huerta: So I, you know, that was a realization I had a few years ago. I was like, all right, I trust and tie my camel in that area.

[00:31:17] Bob Wheeler: No exactly, it reminds me of, there’s a story I share in the, in my book about this person who was the son of a minister. And they would always say, “Well, God will provide.” And you know, “I know you need a new winter jacket. God will provide.” And then maybe one of the parishioners would offer a coat. And his thing was, “I know God will provide, but I’d sorta like it in November. And so I’d sorta like to have the money to be able to actually go buy my coat and not wait for somebody to provide in February and have a little bit more control.”

[00:31:49] It’s not that it’s not trusting, right? But I’d sort of like to have a little more proactive part of my life.

[00:31:56] Christian de la Huerta: Yeah, there’s also that joke about, you know, I forget the name, Robert, you know, Robert who was always commiserating and struggling with, with God because he didn’t have enough and, and I’ll throw it the argument, and how come you treat me this way?

[00:32:11] Why do you, why can’t you help me in this area? And praying and praying and praying for money and praying and praying, pray for money. So, gosh, finally just like had enough. I say, Robert help me out here or buy a lotto ticket, because that’s what it was about. It was about, “help me win the lottery.” That’s what the prayer was.

[00:32:30] Bob Wheeler: Oh right, help me win the lottery, buy a lot of, that’s exactly right. Everybody wants to win the lottery, but you gotta buy the ticket. You gotta, you gotta, you gotta pay to play, so to speak. Well, let me, I’m gonna change direction for a little bit. There’s two parts of your book that I, for me, feel important to talk about. That’s the path of forgiveness and the path of gratitude.

[00:32:52] For me, those are two key components in a lot of the work that I do. And so I just wanted to get your take on this, the importance or why you think this path of forgiveness and path of gratitude. For me, they’re related. They may not be related for you, but I, those two for me really resonate.

[00:33:12] Christian de la Huerta: No, I think, I think, I hadn’t thought about it that way before, but I think I can see instantly that they are related. So which one do you want to do first? We’ll do forgiveness first?

[00:33:20] Bob Wheeler: Let’s do forgiveness first, I feel like that’s always, I think for me, being able to forgive myself or to forgive others allows me to have more gratitude, allows me to have more abundance. And so for me, forgiveness is a key component as part of one of the first steps.

[00:33:36] Christian de la Huerta: Yeah. You know, I, I totally agree that there are not many things that I’m dogmatic about. In fact only three that I can think of. I guess I’m not really dogmatic, because if I can be shown a different way, I’m happy to just to see it a different way. But as I see it now, if we want to be free, if we want to be in our power, like assuming, stepping into our power, if we want to like really be who we are, there’s three things that I don’t see a way around.

[00:34:03] One of them is going with it. Because what we started talking about, right? If, if, if, we’ve gotta know why we do the things we do and, and that is a heroic thing to be willing to look inside. And that’s why the entrances to the old temples used to say, “Know thyself.”

[00:34:18] And, and even, you know, it’s almost cliche to say that if you really want to love somebody else or be loved, you’ve got to love yourself first. So, so that, then the second one is, is forgiveness. Because I don’t see a way around that one either, because if we’re holding somebody over the fire for what they did or didn’t do, our hand is also getting burnt.

[00:34:38] Which is just another way of saying what we’ve been told before, that forgiveness is really for ourselves. Another way that I think about that, if we, if we think of the heart center or the heart chapel, so not the organ, of the energy center, it closes and opens to allow, you know, as I think of it as like the iris of the eye or the shutter of a camera, that opens or closes to allow more or less light, in the case of the heart, more or less love in.

[00:35:05] If we shut the heart to Mom who did this, Dad who didn’t do that, that ex who cheated on us or left us for somebody else, the teacher who flunked us, the boss who fired us. We can’t shut it selectively. Right? If we shut it, we shut it, period. So it’s not even about them. This is about me and my heart.

[00:35:28] This is about my heart in relationship to love, in relationship to life. So that’s the way I want to be seen. And yet it’s nothing short of heroic to forgive what sometimes feels unforgivable because the things that human beings do to each other is like really, are hard to understand.

[00:35:48] But how do we, how do we do it then? Right? How do we forgive the unforgivable? And this, I learned from that same teacher that I studied with. It’s a simple way of looking at it. It’s “forgive,” two syllables, flip them around. “Give for.” What we’re doing when we forgive is we’re giving the other person and ourselves sometimes, which is even more difficult or can be, the room to be human, to, to make mistakes, to be less than perfect, to make a royal mess of things, to, to fall short of the mark.

[00:36:20] And you know, the, the ego mind that, that, you know, I spend a lot of time in the book explaining how the ego mind works and how it keeps us in a self-made prison so that we can free ourselves from it. It’s, it’s very, self-righteous it, it, it went to law school and it appoints itself, judge, jury, and prosecutor. It knows exactly what you did, that was wrong, what the punishment should be and delivers it.

[00:36:43] And so, what we’re doing when we forgive then, is kind of stepping back from that self-righteousness and bringing in the question mark. That’s all it takes.

[00:36:55] It’s like, say something like, “I don’t know. I can’t imagine ever doing that, but maybe, maybe if I had been in their shoes, maybe if I had been raised in their family, in their culture, in that time period, if I had been raised the way they were raised in the way that their parents were raised and their parents before that, maybe. Who knows? There’s stuff going on in their brain, biochemistry, that I don’t know about, maybe there’s substance abuse that I don’t know about. Maybe, I might have done the same thing. I don’t know, but maybe.”

[00:37:28] That alone is enough to get us off that self-righteous stance and it begins to like, crack open their heart again and makes room for the possibility of forgiveness.

[00:37:37] Bob Wheeler: Yeah, absolutely. And I think that piece about the question mark for me, when I’m working with people on whatever we’re working on, it’s about getting curious and finding things interesting instead of, “Oh my God, I can’t believe I did it.” “Wow. Isn’t that interesting? Isn’t that curious?” That if we can all get a little curious, we can create a safe space to explore all that exists.

[00:38:04] Christian de la Huerta: Yeah. Brilliant, brilliant way of phrasing it.

[00:38:06] Bob Wheeler: Yeah. Now gratitude…

[00:38:08] Christian de la Huerta: And in terms of gratitude, you know, yeah, gratitude. That’s one of the ways in which knowing Spanish is, is beneficial.

[00:38:15] In Spanish, gracias, which is thank you. It’s the same word as grace. Gracia in the singular. And so to me, gratitude is a state of grace. And you know, we know one of the, one of the major understandings that I had about money along the way is that, that it’s just energy, right? Like we have all these layers and layers and layers of meaning that we have added to what money is, but what used to be spiritual teaching that everything, everything is energy.

[00:38:44] Now we know from quantum physics, that it’s true. It’s all energy. That means by the way that our bodies are emotional, it’s, everything is energy. And so that kind of neutralizes it, right? Money is just energy. And so much of our impact, of so much of our mindset and how we think and feel about money impacts our relationship to it.

[00:39:09] And, and so like, if we can, like, there was like, here’s a simple exercise that I did once before I knew any of this stuff. I was in a funk and part of it was, it wasn’t the only thing that I felt trapped by, but part of it was financial. And so I just stepped up to a point that I just couldn’t see a way out.

[00:39:32] And the only thing that I could think of is to start making a list of everything I hated in my life. And so I just started writing down, just writing down, just writing down. I was kind of like, stream of consciousness and then naturally it evolved into just writing down everything I’d hated about my whole life up until that point.

[00:39:49] And it just kept coming out, it just kept coming out. And finally it just like, it stopped. And like, there was a natural shift in energy and, and then like there was a shift and suddenly it’s some of the very things, same things that I’d hated, I was actually grateful for.

[00:40:07] Bob Wheeler: Right.

[00:40:08] Christian de la Huerta: Because of, you know, so many reasons and because of like, the depth of, of experience and the possible, the compassion but even more, more, you know, not quite as profound.

[00:40:19] So I think so much of it is the way that we frame things. And if we can move into gratitude, like in my retreats, I often tell people just, you know, just, if you take, take a practice of, for a month, write three things every day that you’re grateful for. It’ll, it’ll, it’ll change things in your life. For sure.

[00:40:37] Bob Wheeler: Yeah.

[00:40:37] Christian de la Huerta: Because in the, in the brain, the brain’s like a computer, it can’t hold, like you can’t be in a state of fear and doubt and gratitude at the same time.

[00:40:48] Bob Wheeler: Right.

[00:40:48] Christian de la Huerta: Right. So, or, or love at the same time. So if, if we make sure and we program that brain with gratitude or love or compassion, like intentionally, until it becomes second nature, then there’s no room for something that isn’t that.

[00:41:04] Bob Wheeler: Yeah, absolutely. And I want to, the thing, I want to also name to people that are listening, that doesn’t mean that we’re sugarcoating the reality of life. And it doesn’t mean we’re doing a spiritual bypass here. It’s that even in the midst of a fire, we can appreciate the light from the fire or the heat from the fire.

[00:41:23] And, and it doesn’t change the facts. So I think sometimes people go, oh, well, you’re just, that’s a positive mantra. So like that’s negating all of the, the negative stuff and it’s not at all. I think that if we can go to that place of gratitude and, and find that place of grace, as you’re saying, that it, it, it just takes us, for me, it takes me to a better place.

[00:41:45] Christian de la Huerta: Yeah, absolutely. No, I’m so glad you brought that open and you clarified that because absolutely. I don’t, I don’t, I’m not into spiritual bypassing. So part of my work, that’s why my work is heroic, right? Because it, it, it, it means diving into, into the depth of ourselves and facing our own demons.

[00:42:01] And in fact, I wrote a piece which I think, I can’t remember if it’s in the first book or in the second one. And, you know, for, for your audience who may or may not know what the word “namaste” is, it’s, it’s, it means the sacred in me, the God in me, the love in me, that which is best and highest in me sees and acknowledges and bows to that in you.

[00:42:21] And so, you know, I wrote a piece, a piece titled, “You Can’t Namaste the Shadow Away.” Right? So, so it’s definitely not running away from the shadow stuff. But you’re absolutely right. It, it, without denying, denying it, it’s how we frame it. And it’s a fundamental shift in relationship to life.

[00:42:43] In fact, it’s the third thing that I’m quasi dogmatic about, which is victimization. Because if we want to be in our power, if we want to be happy and fulfilled, as long as we’re holding someone or something outside of us responsible for our state of being, we just give our power away.

[00:43:02] And, and yeah, there are things in life that suck. There are things that happen in our past that sucked and I wish they hadn’t happened. And I’m so sorry that they happened. And one thing we know is that life is going to continue throwing curve balls our way. That we can count on, right? Crap is going to happen.

[00:43:21] And so, but if we, if we can reframe that and realize that, you know, like we understand that there’s nothing we can do about that, but no matter what happened in the past, and no matter what happens going forward, we always have a choice about how we show up in response to that.

[00:43:43] Bob Wheeler: Yeah.

[00:43:43] Christian de la Huerta: And that simple reframe changes everything, and it pops us out of that victim mentality, mentality and mindset.

[00:43:50] And so for example, you know, just recent examples. For so many people last year, because of the pandemic, my income went to zero.

[00:43:58] Bob Wheeler: Yeah.

[00:43:59] Christian de la Huerta: Like nothing. I had to cancel retreats and workshops that I’ve been doing for 30 years. That was my only sole source of income. And I’m happy to report, by the way, that, that, that it was, if, if it was a test for myself to see if I was really established in trust in that area, I never once, went into fear about that. And the opportunity that it gave me, you know, without minimizing the tragic parts of the pandemic, which are many.

[00:44:27] But the way that I framed it, it’s like, it gave me the opportunity to be home. Like, like I went from a hundred thousand miles a year on an airplane to zero.

[00:44:38] Bob Wheeler: Right.

[00:44:38] Christian de la Huerta: And so I was able to finish this book that I had been working on and brewing for 10 years. But because I was in and out, in and out, in and out, I wasn’t able to drop into that creative flow of it. So this kind of gave me that opportunity. And the other thing that, that COVID gifted me with, and of course I said yes, and I showed up in response, was I’ve known for years I needed to develop online virtual programming. Cause I was going to reach, you know, people who may never come to one of my retreats.

[00:45:05] Well guess what? COVID forced my hand. Now we’ve had a virtual year-long coaching program.

[00:45:12] Bob Wheeler: That’s awesome. That’s awesome. So yeah, even COVID had some silver lining. If, if we took advantage of it.

[00:45:18] Christian de la Huerta: Yeah.

[00:45:18] Bob Wheeler: And, and took opportunity. I have one, I know, I know we’re getting towards the end and then we’re going to move into our Fast Five in a little bit, but I have one more question that relates to what we were just talking about.

[00:45:27] There was something that you wrote in your book and for me, it really resonates. And you’re probably going, “what is he talking about?” For me the work that we’re each individually doing and the work that we’re doing, just as humanity, as, as a species, I sometimes get caught up in, like, we’re not doing it fast enough. We gotta like, it’s gotta happen. And I can, I can even almost let myself spin out into like, oh, we gotta get there. We gotta hurry up and get there and not trust that it’s, that it’s all happening as it should.

[00:45:54] But the piece that, the story that I’m talking about is the story that you talk about with Jan Phillips, where she was in this car accident. Right? And everybody’s saying, “We have to go get help.” And the truth of the matter is, we are the help.

[00:46:13] Christian de la Huerta: Yeah.

[00:46:13] Bob Wheeler: Like, there’s no one coming, we have to do the work. And for me, that’s really powerful. And I just wanted you to speak to that a little bit because it’s, it’s something for me that resonates personally. Yeah.

[00:46:25] Christian de la Huerta: Yeah, I get that. Cause I, that’s, I’m challenged in that area as well, to, to allow things to unfold in their own timing rather than in the pace that I would prefer. And even with the development of this book, like, you know, there were several times in the last few years where I had to do it, like conscious mind training because there was, there were a part of me has gone, am I missing the opportunities? There were a window that this book should be coming out that I’ve kind of missed it.

[00:46:53] Then come to find out, you know, like even though in my limited perception, it was late to the game, is like, what a time like to come out last year in the middle of the pandemic with all that, like when the relationship to power was so up for everybody to look, like, you know, given the recent election cycles and the multiple abuses of power of, you know, that, that we all experienced in the last four years.

[00:47:18] And, and, you know, the, the, the, you know, the neck on the knee kind of, you know, I mean, knee on the neck kind of thing. And although the racial systemic racism stuff, which is about power and fear of loss of power and, and so like, wow. I couldn’t have foreseen any of that. And so the, Jan, Jan is a friend and fellow author and the story goes, she was driving by herself through, through Death Valley and her car stalled in the middle of the night.

[00:47:43] And there was nobody around and, you know, you know, being in California that like, there’s nobody in Death Valley at night. And so there she was, so she gets under the car to see what was going on. And, and somehow something happens and suddenly she’s pinned by the car and she can’t move. And it’s like, wow, like what is she going to do?

[00:48:04] It was in the middle of the night, in the middle of the desert. And then she sees these two little headlights coming around the corner and they pause and it’s a bunch of teenage boys and she can see, you know, look, turn over and see their tennis shoes. And they’re saying, “Oh my God, well, my God, we’ve got to get help.” And she just yells out to them, “You are the help!”

[00:48:22] And so, yeah, that’s the message of the book, right? It’s like, it’s all hands on deck. If, if anybody, you know, watching this or listening to this, has any suspicion, any inkling that they have work to do in terms of stepping into the role of teacher or healer or in some ways supporting the, the, the evolution of humanity or their spiritual awakening, whatever you want to call it.

[00:48:44] This is it, this is, this is the time that we’ve been waiting for. And, and I think of, you know, I paraphrase Einstein, who said something to the effect of, that you can’t solve a problem from the same level of consciousness in which it was created.

[00:48:58] Bob Wheeler: Right.

[00:48:58] Christian de la Huerta: So when, when I look at the situation that we all find ourselves in, right? It’s like the crisis upon crisis upon crisis. We’re just now beginning to witness whatever it is that we have unleashed on the environment. So sometimes I think it’s like, oh my God, what am I going to do about any of this? What am I going to do about terrorism or the environmental crisis or the increasing polarization in the world?

[00:49:21] And so sometimes I think, you know what, I’m just gonna, I’m just gonna go to the beach and eat a lot of dark chocolate and have a lot of sex. And then, and then I reel myself back. Okay, dude, chill. What can I do? What can I do? And, and always, I land on, all right, what can I do? Is I can continue to wake myself up, to heal myself, and to help as many others to do the same.

[00:49:49] Right? And hopefully, enough of us, you know, maybe there is something to that hundredth monkey effect, even though I know that original creation story of that was not real. But I’m still banking on critical mass. That hopefully at some point, enough of us get it. And then there’s a huge shift that happens.

[00:50:08] So, so that’s the urgency of our times that I feel. And one step at a time, like, like Archbishop Tutu, Desmond Tutu said, “How do you eat an elephant? One bite at a time.” Right? So one step in front of the other.

[00:50:23] Bob Wheeler: Absolutely. Absolutely. And I’m a big believer in the hundredth monkey, even though I know that it’s not true in terms of the story, but it’s, but I, I do believe in critical mass, so I’m hopeful. I’m very hopeful.

[00:50:34] We are going to, I could talk for another 20 hours, cause I also wanted to touch on leadership and a whole bunch of stuff. So I might have to just drag you back here and force you to have another conversation with me, but…

[00:50:44] Christian de la Huerta: I’d love that, Bob. It’s been fascinating. I’ve got to tell you, you’ve asked me stuff, I’ve done dozens of these interviews, and you ask me stuff that nobody else has. So I appreciate that.

[00:50:54] Bob Wheeler: Well, cool. Well, it’s, it’s yeah, it’s, it’s, what you’re doing is awesome. And so I’m going to jump into the Fast Five so we can just, we’ll shift the energy a little bit and we’ll just sort of go with this.

[00:51:03] What was the last purchase you made that you had to talk yourself into?

[00:51:07] Christian de la Huerta: Probably the AirPods, AirPods Pro.

[00:51:12] Bob Wheeler: And do you celebrate when you reach a major financial milestone, like when you started saving recently, did you, do you celebrate?

[00:51:19] Christian de la Huerta: I do. May not be the healthiest of ways, but I do take myself out to a nice dinner or, or, you know, one of my favorite restaurants or something like that.

[00:51:30] Bob Wheeler: And do you, would you rather spend money on experiences or things?

[00:51:34] Christian de la Huerta: Experiences for sure.

[00:51:35] Bob Wheeler: What would, what is one thing you would do differently in regards to your finances this year?

[00:51:39] Christian de la Huerta: I would start saving more. And you know, that, I need to stabilize a little bit more because my income is nowhere near what it was last year, but, but if I could do one thing, that would be it.

[00:51:50] Bob Wheeler: And if you were given $5,000 that you could not spend on yourself, what would you do with it?

[00:51:55] Christian de la Huerta: At this point? I would probably invest it. And, and that’s the cutting edge for me. I don’t know how to do that or what to invest that amount in, but I would get the help to do that.

[00:52:05] Bob Wheeler: Awesome. All right. Now we’re at our Sweet Spot, our M & M Moment, Money and Motivation.

[00:52:10] What is a, do you have a practical financial tip or a piece of wealth wisdom, something that you’ve learned along the way? You know, I know you talk about trusting and things like that, but is there something that you’ve found financially that you could share with our listeners?

[00:52:23] Christian de la Huerta: Yeah, I don’t have like practical advice in that sense, but I think those two things that I mentioned. It’s either the realization that money is energy, so that we, as we do that, and . To be willing and to do the work of unpacking the beliefs that we have around money, that’s invaluable so that we can approach it in a clean way.

[00:52:44] And then if I could convey the level of trust that I have, that when we’re coming from our authentic self and we’re, we’re at least striving to step into our purpose, like we will be taken care of, like I have no doubt about that for any of us.

[00:52:59] Bob Wheeler: Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. Well, Christian, I mean, this has just been such a great conversation. I love what you’re doing with the book. I love what you’re doing out there in the world. You know, I think for me, the biggest takeaways are to recognize that we’re all heroes and, and sort of the mission or the series of the, of the books is calling all heroes. And so I think, you know, for me, it’s for our listeners out there to find the heroes within and do the work.

[00:53:27] Trust, find the gratitude, find forgiveness, and be willing to be curious, be willing to be open with that question mark. And I, and I think recognizing that we are, we are the help, like that, there’s there’s, there’s not a second platoon coming. I mean, we’ve, we’re, we’re in the trenches. We gotta be doing this work, and yeah. I just, I really encourage people out there to, if they feel a calling is do the work.

[00:53:55] It’s not always fun. It’s not always easy. Sometimes painful and, and well worth it. The payoff is worth it.

[00:54:04] Christian de la Huerta: Without a doubt, without a doubt. Thank you for encapsulating our conversation so succinctly and in such an inspirational way, and thank you for having me on the show. It’s like, I’ve really enjoyed and loved our connection and the depth of the conversation and yeah. Love to stay in touch and do it again.

[00:54:22] Bob Wheeler: Absolutely. Absolutely. Well, where can people find your book? And I’m going to hold it up. There’s the book, even though it’s behind you. Where can people find this book? Where can people find out about you?

[00:54:32] Christian de la Huerta: You know, the book is available on Amazon, wherever books are sold at your local bookstore.

[00:54:38] In terms of reaching me, probably the best way is my website, which is soulfulpower.com, soulfulpower.com. And for your audience, if they will sign up to, if they go to the website and sign up to be on my email list, and we all know how easy it is to unsubscribe, you just click “unsubscribe” if it doesn’t work for you eventually, but just by signing up, they’ll get a sample chapter of the book.

[00:55:00] And one focus now, and what we kind of started to talk about what it means to live a heroic life in the 21st century. And, and also will get some power practices that are designed to apply some of the teachings in the book to our lives, so that it doesn’t stay at the level of information. We don’t need more information. We’ve got information overload. What we need is transformation. And that’s what those deep, those practices are designed to do. And then they’ll also get a, a short teaching recorded, and a guided meditation about trust. So I think they’ll, they’ll find it of support given what we, what came up in this conversation.

[00:55:37] Bob Wheeler: That is awesome. And we’ll put all that in the notes and everything as well to make sure we get people to check you out. So I so appreciate it.

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[00:56:14] Christian de la Huerta: Thank you.